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D20
Aug 12, 2007 0:16:30 GMT -4
Post by o on Aug 12, 2007 0:16:30 GMT -4
I think the server will become really awesome if you added d20....
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so add it!!!
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 1:29:33 GMT -4
Post by Hazmatt on Aug 12, 2007 1:29:33 GMT -4
Um.... do you mean the d20 modern haks? If so, I considered it way back when, but I wouldn't want to go adding any haks now. I wouldn't want to risk them being incompatible with the next NWN or CEP update, nor would I want to risk losing the players who first try us on the spur-of-the-moment, after seeing us listed on GameSpy.
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 4:06:25 GMT -4
Post by o on Aug 12, 2007 4:06:25 GMT -4
o d20 requires cep2 so if you have cep2 you are half way there!!!As for updates of course they are going to update it as well just like cep did way back when when nwn had all its updates.
But I guess you can keep doing what you have been doing we all see how well that has been working...
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 6:40:10 GMT -4
Post by nunya on Aug 12, 2007 6:40:10 GMT -4
blackstone keep doesn't require d20 hak
they are almost always full
"o," how about some suggestions that don't include haks? You seem to know all there is to know about this type of thing
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 15:58:07 GMT -4
Post by Lord Surge on Aug 12, 2007 15:58:07 GMT -4
blackstone keep doesn't require d20 hak they are almost always full "o," how about some suggestions that don't include haks? You seem to know all there is to know about this type of thing How about registering. That would be lovely. Can still see your IPs ya know ;-)
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 16:13:27 GMT -4
Post by o on Aug 12, 2007 16:13:27 GMT -4
blackstone keep doesn't require d20 hak they are almost always full "o," how about some suggestions that don't include haks? You seem to know all there is to know about this type of thing How about registering. That would be lovely. Can still see your IPs ya know ;-) Of course I know that however I won't register until I see at least some improvements. "blackstone keep doesn't require d20 hak they are almost always full "o," how about some suggestions that don't include haks? You seem to know all there is to know about this type of thing" Well blackstone keep isn't a scifi module is it. But if you want to compare blackstone keep is easy for starting players and in blackstone you can reach level 40 without spending a lifetime playing. This is where itropa is different sure you get an option of going to lvl 5 really easy but thats about it. If you make it much more easier for players to start the server (like blackstone keep) than more of the players will stick around. I am not saying make it easy to level all the way to 40 no maybe just make it easy to level to 10 or 15 at the most. Also fix exploits that you can actually fix don't give the option to teenagers (majority of those who play on nwn are teenagers) to choose whether or not to exploit. Like the death system why not when they log out dead the log back in dead? or when they log back in they are not fully restored in their hp and spells. All of these things can be done. If you can't make the player cheat than they won't cheat
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 16:40:30 GMT -4
Post by Luke Hall on Aug 12, 2007 16:40:30 GMT -4
The death system is not easily exploitable like you have suggested, therefore i would suggest you log in and actually LOOK prior to saying things like that
by the way which character/s do you play on BSK?
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 17:06:26 GMT -4
Post by o on Aug 12, 2007 17:06:26 GMT -4
The death system is not easily exploitable like you have suggested, therefore i would suggest you log in and actually LOOK prior to saying things like that by the way which character/s do you play on BSK? I did look you get ported to some other area and have to pull a lever to die. A bit too much if you ask me when you can just make they redie when they log in. As for BSK question it is irrelevant.
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 17:18:19 GMT -4
Post by Luke Hall on Aug 12, 2007 17:18:19 GMT -4
there has been a lot of fun happenings in the cheaters hell and I know a few people who would miss if it was removed. As for my question about you BSK characters it is interesting for a nature of finding out what angle you are coming from.
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 17:29:00 GMT -4
Post by o on Aug 12, 2007 17:29:00 GMT -4
I guess however you might want to fix it that when you are bleeding and you log out you don't log in with full health and spells.
But than again all my suggestions are just that suggestions.
But than again what DO you have to lose?
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 19:37:24 GMT -4
Post by Hazmatt on Aug 12, 2007 19:37:24 GMT -4
I originally had the logout/death system the way you describe - just instantly killing you again. There were reasons that it didn't work well, which I won't go into here. The way I have it now helps it mesh better with some other existing scripts. I'm not saying it's the best way to do things, and I might do future mods differently. But it's my favorite of the things I've tried. Itropa is "Sci-Fi" in that it is set in an alternate universe, where some (but not all) of their technology is beyond ours. The D20 Modern haks would be great if I wanted to make a Future Earth module, but Itropa is meant to have a more archaic look to its technology. I mean, check out the Placeables hakpack: Cool stuff, but none of that looks like the feel I want Itropa to have. Think about Tatooine in Star Wars. You have low-tech buildings run by hi-tech computers. Robots walking around adobes, Obi-Wan wearing ancient-style robes while wielding a futuristic sword. Or check out the Final Fantasy games, where people ride steam-powered robot walkers and fly in jet-propelled dirigibles. Not all sci-fi has the crisp, clean look of Star Trek, and the better ones have their own unique feel to them, IMO. Besides, it's too late. Early in the mod I might have considered it, but at this point I'd have to go back in and pepper the existing areas with modern-looking placeables, and the look of the mod would be inconsistent. It's not worth having people download all that content, when I'd probably only use about 10% of it. And finally, it was just more challenging to make a futuristic-themed mod using only the ingredients available in the toolset/CEP. Since I'm not using as many of other people's creations, the mod feels more "mine".
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 19:43:48 GMT -4
Post by Steph on Aug 12, 2007 19:43:48 GMT -4
Um.... do you mean the d20 modern haks? If so, I considered it way back when, but I wouldn't want to go adding any haks now. I wouldn't want to risk them being incompatible with the next NWN or CEP update, nor would I want to risk losing the players who first try us on the spur-of-the-moment, after seeing us listed on GameSpy. To me, nothing is more frustrating in NWN than to find a server to check out, build a char, then try logging on only to find out I have to DL about 47 .tlk and .hak files. So, I spend the next 2-4 hours hunting down said files, installing them, and firing up the client. THEN I find out that I don't like the mod anyway. I'm a "reader," i.e., when I first log onto a server I read all of the little welcoming signs, server rules, etc. I logged onto a LOTR server once (required all sorts of haks) where your char had to eat several times a day. While I was reading all the signs (about 9 or 10 if memory serves), my health was steadily declining due to non-eating. There was no pointer or sign saying, "This way to the game." Inside of 15 minutes, my health was down to 1 hp. I hate crap like that. I left, uninstalled all the haks, and considered 2 1/2 hours of game time gone. I hate haks...
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 19:50:52 GMT -4
Post by Hazmatt on Aug 12, 2007 19:50:52 GMT -4
I logged onto a LOTR server once (required all sorts of haks) where your char had to eat several times a day. While I was reading all the signs (about 9 or 10 if memory serves), my health was steadily declining due to non-eating. There was no pointer or sign saying, "This way to the game." Inside of 15 minutes, my health was down to 1 hp. I hate crap like that. I left, uninstalled all the haks, and considered 2 1/2 hours of game time gone. Heh, not hak-related, but I once went through the character-creation process on a LOTR server, only to find that I couldn't use my character because you weren't allowed neutral alignments. That's what first inspired me to put an alignment-changer in my mod.
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 20:02:58 GMT -4
Post by o on Aug 12, 2007 20:02:58 GMT -4
Well is guess there is no reason for new players to come to a old server where the creators don't want to update.
But hey I guess you like a 4 player base for a server cuz I see no effort in changing things up to get new people just redoing old things trying to see new results that are not going to happen.
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D20
Aug 12, 2007 20:51:18 GMT -4
Post by Luke Hall on Aug 12, 2007 20:51:18 GMT -4
well.... if Itropa gets this much attention from people who don't even like it Matt must be doing something right
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